In a topic-driven, well-developed paragraph, SUMMARIZE Chapter Five: “And Yet.” Clearly identify the authors’ thesis and supporting arguments. Be specific. Use examples from the text in your response.
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Peter Cote
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English 1003
22 Sept. 2015
Chapter 5 They Say I Say Summary
In order to distinguish what you say from what they say, the writer needs to make their voice’s separate from the other point of view by using voice markers. Gerald Graff and Cathy Birkenstein both have Ph.D.s in American Literature and are teaching at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Graff and Birkenstein state that “Paying attention to these voice markers is an important aspect of reading comprehension” (70). Graff and Birkenstein explain the voice markers allow for the reader to comprehend who is saying what in the writing. Words like “they say” and “I say” help the reader to identify the difference in who is talking, which allows the reader to find the argument of the writer. Graff and Birkenstein explain that the argument must contain voice markers to make it easy to identify who is saying what because the argument would be dead if it is not clear to the reader if the writer is arguing for or against.
Breanna Roper
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English 1003
22 September 2015
Distinguishing What You Say from What They Say
In Chapter five, "And Yet" of Gerald Graff and Cathy Birkenstein's "They Say/ I Say" the authors emphasize the importance of differentiating what you "you say" from what "they say". Graff and Birkenstein suggest using so-called "voice markers" to help with this process. Voice markers help to distinguish the different perspectives an author is presenting to their audience in his or her work. It is essential for a reader to take notice of these markers, otherwise they may fail to comprehend what they are reading. Graff and Birkenstein go farther into detail with this idea and describe that, "Readers who fail to notice these markers often take an author's summaries of what someone else believes to be an expression of what the author himself or herself believes (70). It is essential for a reader to be aware of the voice markers included in an author's work. It is even more necessary that a writer signals to their readers who is stating what, as in the "they say..." and "I say...".
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English 1003
22 September 2015
Chapter 5: They Say/ I Say Summary
In this Chapter of Gerald Graff and Cathy Birkenstein’s “They Say/ I Say,” the authors talk about how the audience can differentiate whom is speaking, using “voice markers.” Instead of letting the audience assume who is speaking, using voice markers will eliminate that confusion. Voice-identifying devices are templates given to help use the voice markers, and to help distinguish “what you say from what they say.” The authors believe it is necessary to make reading as easy as possible for the audience, that way they will engage more in the text. Graff and Birkenstein state that, “when readers cannot tell if you are summarizing your own views or endorsing a certain phrase or label, they have to stop and think.” (75). In conclusion, be very clear on who is saying and believing what.
Gabrielle Tallman
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ENG 1003
22 September 2015
And Yet
As the authors of "They Say/I Say", Graff and Birkenstein address the title of the entire book in the chapter, "And Yet". It is important to distinguish what you say form what they say in your writing so that the reader doesn't get confused. A piece of writing can be much more persuasive if the reader can fully understand your view rather than getting it confused with others' opinions that were quoted. Identifying voice markers will have a positive impact on one's reading comprehension. Even though many scholars believe it is unprofessional to use first-person pronouns, Graff and Birkenstein proclaim that, "...if you consistently avoid the first person in your writing, you will probably have trouble making the key move addressed in this chapter: differentiating your views from those of others, or even offering your own views in the first place." They prove this statement by providing templates using some of these first person pronouns, signaling who is saying what, and embedding specific voice markers.
Aidan Bish
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English 1003 SWU
22 September 2015
TSIS on Distinguishing Voices in Writing
Distinguishing whose opinion is being stated can be subtle or direct and is vital to strong and clear writing. Starting with the “they say” (the opinion you are responding to), it is important to establish who is speaking and whether or not you agree. Graff and Birkenstein use an excerpt from Gregory Mantsios’s essay, drawing attention to the “careful delineation” of opinions. Mantsios uses key terms such as “or so it would seem” and “yet” to indicate where his own voice comes in against the general idea that he is challenging. The authors also encourage the use of embedded references to past or new ideas because they “allow you to economize your train of thought and refer to other perspectives without any major interruption.” All of these steps are imperative because they maintain clarity between one’s own ideas and those of others.
Devante Wrenn
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English 1003
22 September 2015
Chapter five TSIS
In chapter five my belief is that the authors are trying to get you to understand the tone of a writer. They also are saying that most writers try to make their voice separate which is called voice makers. I believe that it is a way for a writer to get their point across and explain it in a way where the reader understands how they feel. The title is a perfect example of what the authors try to get at. They say and I say is a good way for a writer to show the reader what and who they are talking about. Whatever a writer is trying to say should be clear to the reader and not anything too hard for the writer to grab out.
Austin Bennett
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English 1003
22 September 2015
Chapter five TSIS
In chapter five of They Say, I say, Birkenstein and Graff want to make it clear that it should be obvious it is your own writing voice in writing. For a writer to make their point abundantly clear, their own voice must be present. It is also key to make clear who is speaking and if you agree or not. For a good writing, the readers must clearly understand your ideas, voice, and why you are saying it.
Hunter Hebert
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22 September 2015
Chapter 5: And Yet
In Graff and Berkenstein’s They Say/I Say, the way to distinguish between two different opinions is presented. Sometimes when elaborating on the opinion of someone else and that of yourself, it is easy to confuse the reader due to lack of differentiation among the two opinions. In order to avoid this confusion, Graff and Berkenstein suggest the use of “voice markers”. Voice markers are simply a tool that helps the readers to distinguish each separate opinion so that they can more easily understand if the two opinions are in agreement or in disagreement. This is important to the argument because according to Graff and Berkenstein, “when readers cannot tell if you are summarizing your own views or endorsing a certain phrase or label, they have to stop and think.” (75). When the reader has to stop and try to untangle the opinions in their mind, they quickly can lose the point of the argument that is being presented, and as a result, more confusion can occur.
Carter Groomes
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English 1003
22 September 2015
And Yet
In Chapter 5 of “They Say, I Say”, the author focuses on the importance of distinguishing what “they say” and what “I Say”. In order to not get those two confused the writer should use “Voice Markers” to show which is which. The authors next step to help the reader identify who says what are the voice-identifying devices. We as writers can use those to help the reader know exactly who says what without any question. In Chapter 5 the authors provide us with many templates to introduce your point, and also how to clearly establish your view. I believe that this is really important because without clearly stating points of view in writing the reader will be confused throughout the text.
Kaylee Young
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English 1003
22 September 2015
Chapter 5 summary- TSIS
In writing, an author should incorporate voice markers, such as, quotation marks, first person, and embedded references, to create a distinct difference in a writers’ own ideas versus their opposing ideas. These skills help a reader understand when the author is expressing his own idea on the subject, along with his disagreement to opposing another’s thoughts on the same idea. Voice markers create tone and parallelism to show when the reader is stating their “I say.” Using first person, helps toward “differentiating your views from others.” Embedded references allow a writer, according to Graff and Birkenstein, to economize their train of thought, while referring to other perspectives without interruption. All of these helpful tips reflect to a better understating of ones writing, in order, for no reader to be confused of whose idea belongs to who.
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English 1003
September 22, 2015
Clarifying Your Writing
One of the biggest mistakes students tend to make is not making it clear to the reader what ideas belong to who. Graff and Birkenstein sugguest the use of "voice markers" to better correct this mistake and to further signify who believes what in a multi argumental clause. To make it simple for a novice to use this new skill they have also included many templates that, if used correctly, can and will strengthen your writing. If all of these are used correctly then the writer will be able to stay on tract with their ideas and can even use these to bend a quote to their belief.
Logan Radwanski
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ENglish 1003
22 September 2015
Chapter Five "And Yet" Summary Chapter five is the guideline to help a writer to better distinguish the they say/I say in their summaries. Being able to put up “flares” of this is the author’s opinion on this subject and this is the idea of their writing. “…their summaries of others’ views tend to be confused with their own ideas—and vice versa.” (Graff 75) Gifting you the tool voice makers and teaching you how to say I properly in a way to support “well grounded arguments” (Graff 72) so your views will come across and not get lost or confused in summaries. Helping the readers comprehend the they say and the I say and not getting confused in an jungle of views and opinions.